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Making It Real

MAKING IT REAL: an ongoing series of interviews about the Dark Factory experience, with clubbers, artists, professors, experts on liminal spaces, and more.

Has Dark Factory impacted you, in a good way, a bad way, a way you can’t explain? MCSq2 wants to interview you. Contact us at and tell us all about it!

  • Interview with Michelle Cosismo, cofounder, Rite Here
    Mecca, Compostela, the Western Wall, that’s traditional pilgrimage. Rite Here explores people who are creating their own rites. Vondie, my wife Vondie Berenson, shoots our footage, and I edit, and write the exegesis. We heard [about Dark Factory] from posts on Inner Free Me, and Falada, and No Ripcord, lots of artists, skaters, urbexers, not […] More
  • Interview with Crow Chick and BillyBoy9, urban explorers
    BB9: We come here whenever we want—pro tip, compressed air works on maglocks! It’s wild, like the wild west or whatever, but mostly people are cool. CC: I have a couple of roof cams, hundreds of hours of the crows’ behavior—You mean like communicative? It’s definitely communicative, but strictly between the birds. Why would they […] More
  • Interview with Max Caspar, writer
    Q: Max Caspar, thank you for this interview. Max Caspar: I’m glad we came out here. Q: “Out here” means where we are right now, which is basically the ass end of nowhere, in a little unheated shack— Max: Garage. Q: —garage, with moldy tarps and cheap scented candles, the spider webs are as big […] More
  • Interview with Alice Sellars-Caspar, Optical Technician, and Mitchell Sellars-Caspar, Data Systems Administrator
    ASC: Maxi—excuse me, Max is an exceptionally determined person. Writing, art school, performance projects, whatever he sets himself to accomplish, he does. MSC: We’re always surprised by the directions he chooses. Alice Sellars-Caspar, Optical Technician, and Mitchell Sellars-Caspar, Data Systems Administrator Report More
  • Interview with Calvin Regon, regional distribution manager
    I wish I could tell you more about what’s happening with Ari [Regon], I’ve only seen what people post, or the things on ReadItNow. Ari has always been a very imaginative boy, very social boy. Not a top student, but his mother and I, we were always very proud of him. I wish I could […] More
  • Interview with Jonathan Truitt, Professor, Director of CMU Center for Learning through Games and Simulations
    Q: What was the first game you can remember playing? Rook – my extended family always played it at Thanksgiving. Q: How can any game actually be a scholarly endeavor? Doesn’t that take a lot of the fun out of playing? Games ultimately set constraints on what we can and cannot do in the play […] More
  • Interview with LeeAnn Davies, owner, Bride’s Bouquet
    My firm creates a wedding experience as perfectly arranged as a bride’s bouquet, and I’ve recently added a saucy mentalist team to the bachelorette party package—Excuse me, I understood this interview was to focus on my work—I’m legally prevented from engaging with those types of questions. I can say that nothing ever took place [at […] More
  • Interview with Darin Skellman, VP of Creative Strategies, Junket
    You want to talk about mechanics? You mean, what? Tactile odometry, spatial audio, drift correction, immersivity metrics? That’s tech, that’s not my department. But when you get on a plane, do you sit there thinking about Bernoulli’s principle, or do you order a cocktail and enjoy the view? The tech is just there to get […] More
  • Interviews with Clara Dix & Davide Fabron, Reality Artists, Fantastic Fantoms
    An interview with Clara Dix, reality artist, owner, Fantastic Fantoms: I work in creation systems, Y and gaming. I started out in dev at Elongation, then Black Diamond, JoJoJo, then tech at Dark Factory, and lead tech on the Overtime launch team. The concept was achievable, the schedule for deliverables not so much . . […] More
  • Interview with Robbie Kent, partner, Sto Lat
    The yellow DJ, yeah, lots of craziness that night, I mean I didn’t expect to be having it off with somebody right under the mural—Oh it’s a monster piece, just monster. Or masterpiece, yeah, that works too. A lot of people ask me [what the mural represents]. To me, the DJ is music, the skeleton […] More
  • Interview with Patricia Agnelli, library technician
    My friends and I went [to Silver Landings], and now we are all fucked over, you know? Like how do you come down from something like that? Like being in heaven, a peak experience, the only way to go from a peak is down and I went down, I’m depressed ever since, every day. Mad […] More
  • Interview with Marcus Wellington, student
    I was out delivering for Supra Pizza, taking the long way back from a delivery, I was smoking a little shit—I mean I don’t work there anymore, I can say this—and I saw all these people outside a building, they were all getting into each other, and I was like, What is happening here? I […] More
  • Interview with Ophelia Damask, erotic mentalist
    The body talks to the mind all the time, a wonderful conversation, and sexuality is its music—Silver Landings, I did not expect Silver Landings to be, to be the way that it was—A conversation, oh my no, Silver Landings was, was a choir! I have two wonderful assistants now, Ricky and Adele, they were my […] More
  • Interview with Isabella Ness, senior sound designer and producer, composer, vocalist
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  • Interview with Anna Suzman, accountant
    “Je t’aime, baby, je t’aime,” that and the sexy DJ, that’s all I remember [about Silver Landings]. And the bruises [laughs], I had bruises in so many places! -Anna Suzman, accountant Report More
  • Interview with Felix Perez/Mister Minos, DJ:
    I didn’t know I was going to [play on the roof], I just wanted to get closer to the stars. The mask—That was about Ari, actually, that’s private. Oh I can’t say where Ari would be right now . . . You mean playing? No, that was meant for everybody. Specifically, Everybody. When I first […] More
  • Interview with Dr. Adam Kaiser, professor of reality creation studies, Kunstfarm
    A useful text for my students is Johan Huizinga’s theory of Homo ludens, humans as the animal who plays. For the history, you can go all the way back to the thaumatrope and praxinscope, stereoscope, Sensorama, motion capture, VR and AR, the goggles and gloves, first-generation Y, wearable intelligence—Yes, people have been attempting reality creation […] More
  • Interview with Deborah Wolterman, radiology technician
    I work at a radiology center. Every day we identify physical events that are happening inside human bodies. For thousands of years, none of those things were visible, but they were still happening. Then Röntgen tried to understand whether cathode rays could pass through glass, and he discovered these other rays, he called them “x” […] More
  • Interview with Lady Liminal, Bec Lambert
    Lady Liminal, the Astrolithic Megapunk, sometimes morphs into Bec Lambert, postgraduate archaeological researcher, who wanders and ponders the liminal places of the world, sometimes alone, often with fellow edgeland operatives. Report More
  • Interview with Lane Durand, former Dark Factory assistant operations manager
    I’ve seen this happen before. A friend of mine was a manager at [hotel name redacted] when the housekeeping staff started complaining that there was gas coming out of the drains, they had headaches, couldn’t eat, couldn’t sleep. The hotel did multiple inspections, installed watch sensors, meanwhile guests are saying they can smell it too, […] More
  • Interview with Jonas Siegler, owner, Dark Factory
    There’s a media registry for updates on the site. How did you get this number? Dark Factory is on temporary hiatus, but we’ll have exciting plans to share soon—No comment—I have no comment whatsoever on Ari Regon. How did you get this number? Did Ari give it to you? -Jonas Siegler, owner, Dark Factory Report More
  • Interview with Danielle Meijer, philosophy professor, DePaul University
    Q: Is philosophy an actual thing that can exist outside a university? Or is it like quadratic equations? Of course philosophy exists outside of the ivory tower and as a communitarian anarchist I’d say institutions do more harm than good when it comes to pretty much any discipline.  Anyone can think philosophically and do philosophy, […] More
  • Interview with Johnny “Thief” DiDonna, tattoo artist, Seppuku Tattoo
    Q: Why do people still get tattoos? Poking needles into skin seems pretty old school. Ha ha, you’re kidding, right? It’s THE Old School. Tattooing is pre-historic, far older than any written language. The oldest art on the planet is cave paintings that date to 40,000 years old, and the subject [is] people covered in […] More
  • Interview with Angela Ropp, Deputy City Manager
    There’s been a great deal of deliberate disinformation, especially on social media—On the property, correct, but the incident was not sponsored or sanctioned in any way by the owner. Jonas Siegler has always been a responsible corporate citizen—The responding officers acted appropriately. The use of crowd control bots—Criminal charges, correct. Misdemeanor public disorder, theft, asset […] More
  • Interview with Laurel E. Loch, Episcopal ministry and pastoral support, St. George Episcopal
    MCSq2 talks with Laurel E. Loch, Episcopal ministry and pastoral support, St. George Episcopal Q: How and/or where do religion and spirituality meet? I think of religion as being the organized, communal portion and spirituality as an essence that’s specific and personal to an individual. The spark is kindled during personal, private practices of […] More
  • Interview with Lana S, “Whisper,” Dark Factory power user
    It is, it was, a special place. Jodie would always have my tiara ready—Jodie is just a warm, funny, wonderful person—Jodie would say, “Whisper, welcome home.” Whisper was my avatar’s name, as a power user I had a bespoke avatar. I’d go up to Gear Bar, or City Lights, and see if there were other […] More
  • Interview with Katya Pedersen, dancer
    I got the [Dark Factory] gig because of [redacted]. But you know that, I’m sure. Just like you know I was there that night . . . If you know so much why don’t you interview yourself, you might be surprised. – Katya Pederson, dancer Report More
  • Interview with Jesse Davis, editor, arts journalist
    Q: What’s the impetus to write about art, your impetus? What’s the actual point? A: Writing about art is a somewhat more stable and predictable source of income than making art, but it’s still art-adjacent.  But money isn’t my first concern, or I wouldn’t work in journalism or the arts. Writing about art gives me […] More
  • Interviews with Kellie L., barista & Stephen Thurmann, former water regulation technician
    Kellie L., barista At first it seemed like a party, because you didn’t have to pay to get in, or for drinks. But then things started getting intense, so I told Stephen we had to go—Like intense! These women, they were kneeling down on the dancefloor and praying, like to God! And a guy was […] More
  • Interview with Faye and Davey Zimmer, musicians, Lost in the Stars
    FL: We were headed to a gig, but my QuikPass wouldn’t work, so we got a Hopper. And the Hopper guy said he just dropped off some people at Dark Factory, something weird was going on over there. DZ: It was like drugs. But not drugs like being high.Drugs like, I lost my shoes. I […] More
  • Interview with Bradley Breckle, call center manager
    I was shooting video, you know, just to do it, I just kept posting, you know, and people were going crazy, all these media outlets getting at me to use the footage. Did you see that woman falling off the streetlight pole? Everybody used that. That was mine. -Bradley Breckle, call center manager Report More
  • Interview with Imani A., medical student
    When the sun came up, I was on the [Dark Factory] roof with my girlfriend, and I knew—not just “thought” it, like a philosophical construct, but knew—that we were going to live forever. We all are. Forever. I’m not saying that’s the best thing. -Imani A., medical student Report More
  • Interview with Dashiell Kryzlaski, Junior Product Designer
    I thought I was just going to meet my sister at some club, but she never showed up. The next day she’s messaging me like, I saw all the posts, what the fuck happened there, what did I miss? [laughs] What happened. -Dashiell Kryzlaski, junior product designer Report More
  • Interview with Jennifer Stone, Fiber Artist:
    I know who you shouldn’t talk to. Max Caspar. He’s a complete snob and a complete asshole. –Jennifer Stone, fiber artist Report More
  • Interview with Alix Schnell, Editor, the Incubationist
    Experiential art doesn’t need to avoid commerce to be considered “real art,” that’s such a tired trope, the starving artist, no one cares about that anymore. The real art is happening right in the marketplace, like Coco Binsky with her Dubious Intentions parties, or Ari Regon at Dark Factory. Those are the people worth talking […] More
  • Interview with Frederick Sundford, Freelance Journalist
    What every real journo knows—and you [interviewer] know this too, I know you do—is that whatever you’re being told the “story” is, that’s never actually the real story at all. The things no one will tell you, the things you have to tunnel and excavate and dynamite the landscape to get near, that’s the story, […] More
  • Interview with Teresa Capua, Manager, Bitter Lake
    Bitter Lake is really all Max [Caspar]’s idea. Max is the one you ought to talk to. _Teresa Capua, manager, Bitter Lake Report More
  • Interview with Glenda Vitale, owner and founder, Meer BV, Lady of the Lake
    Lady of the Lake will be a reality experience designed to facilitate rejuvenation—Water tanks, and Y mermaids, and specific lighting, blue light is proven to accelerate relaxation. The choice of venue was deliberate, to site the experience in a place most people would not find immediately comfortable. Oskar Nilson was very cooperative pricewise, hopefully some […] More
  • Interview with Tina Ellison, branch manager, QueQue Tomi
    Dark Factory, oh sure, I love it. I go to all of the experience-type places—Bitter Lake, no one ever went there, it was off the radar, this sad fairytale vibe—“Sad” is the wrong word, maybe “lost” is better, lost in itself. The best part was the dancer, she was so so beautiful, like she didn’t […] More
  • Interview with Jackson Aird, reality studies adjunct, Kunstfarm
    Max Caspar and I were at Kunstfarm together, he left the year before me. I collaborated on one of his performance installations, it was based on the “Faustus” story, Faustus sells his soul to the devil for knowledge, that was Max’s commentary on Kunstfarm—In a warehouse, an illegal space probably. I shot video for that, […] More
  • Interview with Kim Vronska, IT analyst
    Dark Factory? Not real. “Real” is work and taking the train and buying cereal and arguing with my boyfriend. I didn’t spend money and put on skintight pants so I could stay in the “real” world. KIM VRONSKA, IT analyst Report More
  • Interview with Jodie Diamond, DF Guest Services Manager
    Dark Factory’s not like any other club, I know that sounds hype-ass but true is true. In all the time I worked there I never felt like I was, you know, “going to work”—Ha ha, no, though there were staff parties sometimes! What I mean is, the whole atmosphere was about, everything is here to […] More
  • Interview with Eduard Clair, attorney
    I can dance with people who don’t exist, or who do, I can drink absolutely ridiculous cocktails, I can write my heart out on the graffiti wall, definitely I do like my reality curated, oui, yes, thank you very much. EDUARD CLAIR, attorney Report More

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